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P. Larson, DVM, MS, JD
05-01-2014 11:47:48 AM CST
Since your site doesn't allow the posting of websites, google "horses killed or injured in horse tripping in charreadas". There are multiple listings of horses that are injured or killed due to horse tripping.
P. Larson, DVM, MS, JD
05-01-2014 11:43:44 AM CST
Regarding the students, half are injured because they are "overused" which means they resumed the sport before they healed from the injury. This is exactly what happens to horses. They never get a chance to heal. Eventually they wind up at slaughter.
I googled MRI's and emotions and you are dead wrong. Science proves that dogs are very similar to humans regarding emotions. As a large animal veterinarian, horses and cattle do "think". And they are dangerous when they are tortured and frightened by humans. I treated many horses over the years and was never injured. Stop making these unscientific and untrue statements to cover a sociopathic need to dominate and abuse animals.
04-30-2014 7:34:49 PM CST
3.5 million children play high school football each year. 50 thousand are hospitalized. Almost 20 thousand horses were used in Charreadas in Mexico that were broadcast live. None were seriously hurt. Do the math. Also, they did MRIs on dogs and concluded, they were not exhibiting emotional responses. Horses have animal instincts and Pavlovian responses. They react, but they don't think or contemplate. They also can be very dangerous to people. That is why we have to maintain the knowledge of ways to control them. This includes catching horses by their legs.
P. Larson, DVM, MS, JD
04-30-2014 6:13:44 PM CST
You didn't answer my question. Why do you state that horses do not feel pain or emotion (fear)? I watched a video of a horse being roped and thrown again and again. The horse was terrified, based on my knowledge of animals as a large animal veterinarian. The harder the horse fell, the louder the cheers. Sick!! My husband who is both a neurologist and a psychiatrist says that treating a defenseless animal like that and cheering when it falls is one of the symptoms of a sociopath. He is appalled at this event.
There are 350,000 million people in the US. Of course, more kids will be injured than horses. Look at the percentage, not the numbers.
04-30-2014 5:37:21 PM CST
Peggy Larson:Every year between 10 and 20 children die in high school football. Over 50,000 are hospitalized with serious injuries. In the 2011 to 20012 season in Mexico almost 20,000 horses were used in mangan and piales during major televised events. None of them died and none of them had serious injuries. In the almost 25 years I have been a Charro, I have seen one horse killed and I have heard of 2 others. If you look at the statistics, a high school football player has a better chance of dyeing then a horse in Charreada. Charreada is a celebration of the traditional animal husbandry in Mexico. It was and is a way to let the people express their pride in their history and is an excellent way to keep children, especially boys involved with their family. The animals are not seriously hurt on a regular basis. Yes on a very few occasions, some do get killed, but animals die in rodeo and horse jumping. Children die in high school football. We continue to do these things, even though children might die, because the benefits outweigh the dangers.
P. Larson, DVM, MS, JD
04-30-2014 8:39:37 AM CST
For Randy Janssen: Would you explain to us your statement that "I know that horses feel no pain and have no emotion (fear)"?
To refute this ignorant position, nervous systems in humans and animals are identical. My husband, a medical doctor, dissected a human body in his anatomy class. I dissected a pony in my anatomy class. The brain and nervous system are identical. In both of our physiology classes, brain and muscle functions (as well as bodily functions) are identical.
When I vaccinated or treated horses in my large animal practice, they would respond to pain by trying to escape or by kicking. When I used pain medication or nerve blocks, there was no further response.
You say horses are never injured in the horse tripping event. When one of the TV stations in Los Angeles did a story on this "sport", they showed a dead horse in the arena. It was a bay horse that bore the resemblance to an Arabian.
I doubt you are capable of being educated on this subject but the readers of this diatribe might be interested in understanding your ignorance of horses.
P. Larson, DVM, MS, JD
04-29-2014 6:44:54 PM CST
For Randy Janssen: No competent lawyer would make such a ridiculous statement. In court, I would bury you. FYI, injured football players would be rested and would recover before playing again. Some never play again. Horses do not have that privilege. Injured horses are merely re-used and re-used again with no thought to their injuries. Try to focus when you read my statement. Shame on your adolescent behavior!
04-27-2014 6:49:33 AM CST
I did some checking and P. Larson DVM, MS, JD, is a genuine animal rights fanatic. She does not like rodeo, hunting and thinks the American Veterinarian Association is soft on animal cruelty. I would like to thank her for supporting my position. You notice that she does not say all or even most of the horses die or have to be put down. She does not even say any of them die. She says they can get bumps and burses. What she describes is the same type of injuries high school football players have after practice. I have always maintained that the animals used in Charreada are less likely to be injured then a high school football player. Horses are less likely to be injured in Charreada then in jumping, because the captures in mangana and piales are practiced take downs and not just accidents. So thank you Peggy for all your help.
P. Larson, DVM, MS, JD
04-25-2014 6:28:14 PM CST
In my state, horse tripping is considered felony animal abuse. Shameful abuse of horses. Sick! Just because the horse manages to survive the fall doesn't mean it is not injured. Bruised muscles, stretched and torn ligaments, skin damage to name a few. Mr. Janssen, you should know better!
01-21-2014 6:09:21 AM CST
To Letty Grayson: If you have proof of animals being seriously injured in charreada, send it to me and I will post it. Proof is not unsubstantiated ranting by someone who has never seen a charreada. It is pictures or videos of animals hurt in the lienzo. You can watch live Charreada on decharros(dot)com and Charroup(dot)com. You can also see it on Spanish language TV. I want you to watch so you will see that Charros and Charras are good people who would never intentionally hurt an animal. Please watch this video.
01-20-2014 11:03:33 PM CST
I can't imagine what would make a human being have no compassion for the pain of an innocent animal. That type of person would treat other humans the same way, given the right circumstances. It will be stopped.
11-06-2013 9:29:34 AM CST
Like Obamacare, the number of people trying to watch the Nacionals on the internet took out the system. It is back uo with better video. Just go to facebook and search Federacion Mexicana Charreria and click on livestream.
11-02-2013 6:45:11 AM CST
You can watch live broadcast of the National Finales of Charreada on decharros.com. Please watch it and you will see that very few animals are injured in the lienzo. You will also see that Charros and Charras are good people who would never intentionally hurt an animal.
08-10-2013 5:38:08 AM CST
To A Dobbin: Most AR fanatics are gutless, and they don't have the nerve to use their own name. I just assumed you were another one of them. Just a coward.
08-09-2013 6:46:17 PM CST
Says he replying to 'A Dobbin' ...... Neigh...
08-09-2013 6:27:00 PM CST
To A Dobbin: What you are talking about is not Charreada. There are 74 pages of rules for Charreada, many of which are for the protection of the animals. Before you start yammering about something, you should learn about what you are talking about. Otherwise you end up looking stupid.
08-09-2013 5:45:33 PM CST
Charros are good people and never intentionally hurt an animal you say. I suppose the horses at Torneo de lazo enjoy being gored by bulls? As I said before, this is a joke right?
08-04-2013 6:42:34 AM CST
To A Dobbin: If you have proof of animals being injured in Charreada, send it to me and I will post it. Proof is not unsubstantiated ranting from someone who has never been to a Charreada. It is pictures or videos of injuries in the lienzo. You can see live Charreada on Spanish TV or charroup (dot) com. You can also see videos of complete Charreada if you google livestreamdecharros. I want you to watch it so you will see that Charros and Charras are good people who would never intentionally hurt animals
08-03-2013 1:11:04 PM CST
This website is a joke right?
07-26-2013 7:51:14 PM CST
To Annoula; I have only seen one instance of people being stopped from video taping. That was because they acted like children making accusations and threats. If you just go in and quietly tape, you have no problems. If you ask about what is going on, the Charros will be more then glad to explain. They are proud of what they do. That is because they are good people who would never intentionally hurt an animal. As a result few animals are seriously injured. That is the whole purpose of Charreada. That is why they broadcast live Charreadas on Charroup(dot)com and decharros(dot)com. They would not be doing that if they thought they would be doing serious injuries to the animals, with the whole world watching.
07-26-2013 12:14:16 PM CST
If these events do not harm the animals and are not exhibiting animal cruelty, then why is there an opposition to videotaping? I would think that if there is nothing to hide, then it would be favorable to have videos circulating about these activities; after all, it's promotion. My cousin used to participate at such events until he was turned off by what he witnessed taking place behind the scenes. The very act of subjecting animals to fear and something they don't want to do is intentional cruelty. My ancestors threw humans to the lions for entertainment, in the name of culture and tradition. . .but that didn't make it right. I suppose that those who stand to benefit and profit by such a poor display of "sport" will find any means to justify it and protect it. Very sad commentary on any culture or person who condones this.
05-13-2013 5:22:37 AM CST
To Brenda: If you have proof of animals being injured in Charreada, send it to me and I will post it. Proof is not unsubstantiated ranting from someone who has never been to a Charreada. It is pictures or videos of injuries in the lienzo. You can see live Charreada on Spanish TV or charroup (dot) com. You can also see videos of complete Charreada if you google livestreamdecharros. I want you to watch it so you will see that Charros and Charras are good people who would never intentionally hurt animals.
05-12-2013 5:31:18 PM CST
So, Randy... if horse tripping in the Charro games is so pleasurable for the animals, how come there are so many horses winding up at the auctions with CLEAR wounds on them that tell expert horse people that they have been tripped??? I saw a video that a member of PETA filmed at a Charro, and managed to sneak out with it. It showed a young Arabian filly running away from your Macho Men (sarcasm) and peeing in her terror. Her front legs were already bleeding so she had clearly been one of your favorite targets for abuse. I have never seen a horse pee in terror before and it is a memory that will be with me until I die. Why don't you ask to watch some of those videos and then come back and lie again about how humane these events are? I dare you. Why don't you go to the auction's and look at the horses who have been tripped so many times nobody wants them and they will end their misery at the slaughter house, after a brutal trip there and a brutal death. Look at the rope burns on their legs, and then look into the depths of who you really are. If you can do that and still say you support this evil game, you really are not worth saving.
03-27-2013 1:04:17 PM CST
To Cecilia; If you have proof of animals being injured in Charreada, send it to me and I will post it. Proof is not unsubstantiated ranting from someone who has never been to a Charreada. It is pictures or videos of injuries in the lienzo. You can see live Charreada on Spanish TV or charroup (dot) com. You can also see videos of complete Charreada if you google livestreamdecharros. I want you to watch it so you will see that Charros and Charras are good people who would never intentionally hurt animals.
03-21-2013 5:28:31 PM CST
I'm so very ashamed that I am of the same species as those people that participate in such horrible acts of cruelty as these Charreadas. And just because it's a tradition or part of any particular culture is no excuse. Neither is it an excuse that other "events" cause animals to be injured or killed so the Charreada must be okay. We have the power over these "dangerous" creatures, and they have no choice in the matter to be involved. One animal being harmed for the sake of entertainment is one too many. We have nothing to prove but that we are still capable of respect for the animals that share our planet. Let's try to work toward that goal. Let's start NOW.